Video on Future Diesel emissions regulations

[8ball_99]

Thought this video was interesting. Not Chevy specific, but he talks in detail of the new diesel emissions regulations scheduled to hit for 2027. I imagine the big three will sell a lot of trucks next year to guys trying to avoid the new regulations. I can't imagine all the problems coming, especially the first year or two.

 

[ZR2BIZON]

That's nuts! Truck prices are ridiculous already. Time to buy a diesel before the price hike.

 

[AXE]

You'd be better off buying 5 2007 LBZ motors than a new truck!

 

[8ball_99]

I thought it was pretty crazy. Almost seems like the EPA is just trying to regulate diesels out of existence. It will get to a point they are to much of a hassle and to expensive to own and maintain. Atleast for casual owner. It was interesting hearing him explain how even the current system fights itself. They dump exhaust gas back into the intake to lower cylinder Temps, which reduces NOx, but increases the load on the DPF and decreases fuel economy. I thought the EGR was to reduce soot. But I guess it actually makes it worse. It's there just to reduce NOx and actually causes more unburnt fuel. Also makes sense as why the newer trucks seem to get worse fuel economy.

 

[MrScottly]

The coming regs will be easily met by all the manufacturers. The Cummins heater unit is a great idea, albeit, and expensive one. The questions I have about the new system are the same ones I have about the current system: Why is the DPF on a pickup a non-serviceable unit? On many OTR trucks, you can unzip the canister, remove the DPF, stick it in a washer unit, reinstall it, and be on your merry way with much smaller expense than having to buy a whole new unit like that $3k sealed hunk of shit in your pickup. Make it serviceable by the local shop.

 

[8ball_99]

The coming regs will be easily met by all the manufacturers. The Cummins heater unit is a great idea, albeit, and expensive one. The questions I have about the new system are the same ones I have about the current system: Why is the DPF on a pickup a non-serviceable unit? On many OTR trucks, you can unzip the canister, remove the DPF, stick it in a washer unit, reinstall it, and be on your merry way with much smaller expense than having to buy a whole new unit like that $3k sealed hunk of shit in your pickup. Make it serviceable by the local shop.

80+% reduction vs current regs. I don't know about that being easy. I mean I'm sure they can do it, but at what cost and what hit to performance and longevity?

My guess is cost and packaging. Big truck has a lot more room to work with. Not much room under a 2500 really. The current system already takes up a ton of space. I've heard the emissions on big trucks adds 20-30k to its price. I'm guessing on the light duty trucks they tried to keep the price down? But yeah, you have to figure if the DPF is going to be required to catch so much and work harder. Seems like it will almost have to become serviceable.

 

[RLD]

Thought this video was interesting. Not Chevy specific, but he talks in detail of the new diesel emissions regulations scheduled to hit for 2027. I imagine the big three will sell a lot of trucks next year to guys trying to avoid the new regulations. I can't imagine all the problems coming, especially the first year or two.

Trump administration will take care of the EPA with these stupid regulations.

 

[DNZR2]

Trump administration will take care of the EPA with these stupid regulations.

Hopefully he can take care of a lot more than the EPA,. I’m thinking all the three letter government offices.

 

[MrScottly]

80+% reduction vs current regs. I don't know about that being easy. I mean I'm sure they can do it, but at what cost and what hit to performance and longevity?

If you had a 1oz shot glass and I told you to reduce your alcohol consumption by 50%, you could go from 180 proof to 90 proof. Still pretty good, just not as much burn. My point: 50% of not much, isn't much...The reason consumers saw so many problems with DPF/DEF systems in the early days was that it was all new, and they released it all as they were still learning about it.

My guess is this: The new regs will bring larger displacement engines without larger power gains...More air in, less boogers per million out, problem solved.

Or based on the goals of the current admin, some of those goals might be shelved. Either way, I just don't see any major game-changing events here.

 

[AXE]

As diesels become more scarce and electric trucks and trains become mainstream, diesel fuel will become significantly more expensive as you lose economies of scale for refining, shipping, distribution. They don't have to kill the diesel motor, they just have to kill the market. Elon is very happy to assist!

#DOGE

 

[RLD]

Hopefully he can take care of a lot more than the EPA,. I’m thinking all the three letter government offices.

 

[MrScottly]

As diesels become more scarce and electric trucks and trains become mainstream

The trains are already hybrids...In a way...

 

[8ball_99]

If you had a 1oz shot glass and I told you to reduce your alcohol consumption by 50%, you could go from 180 proof to 90 proof. Still pretty good, just not as much burn. My point: 50% of not much, isn't much...The reason consumers saw so many problems with DPF/DEF systems in the early days was that it was all new, and they released it all as they were still learning about it.

My guess is this: The new regs will bring larger displacement engines without larger power gains...More air in, less boogers per million out, problem solved.

Or based on the goals of the current admin, some of those goals might be shelved. Either way, I just don't see any major game-changing events here.

I mean i don't have a dog in the race. I already switched to Gasser because of the current diesel emissions, which are already a PITA. But a 50% reduction from the DPF and 89% reduction in NOx compared by current systems by 2027 sounds bad to me, lol. Thats one model year away. Seems like less reliable, less fuel economy while costing more money. Atleast that's what the diesel mechanic in the videos concerns are.

 

[MrScottly]

I mean i don't have a dog in the race. I already switched to Gasser because of the current diesel emissions, which are already a PITA. But a 50% reduction from the DPF and 89% reduction in NOx compared by current systems by 2027 sounds bad to me, lol. Thats one model year away. Seems like less reliable, less fuel economy while costing more money. Atleast that's what the diesel mechanic in the videos concerns are.

Totally get what you're saying. All kinds of interweb rumors about an 8.2 Duramax and a 7.2 Cummins, which leads me to believe the way I do about the engineered solutions.

 

[8ball_99]

Totally get what you're saying. All kinds of interweb rumors about an 8.2 Duramax and a 7.2 Cummins, which leads me to believe the way I do about the engineered solutions.

Right so larger engine, more weight, but same power and worse fuel economy. Either way, it doesn't seem like good news to me . Just thought it was worth a heads up to anyone thinking about trading in a year in a half or so

 

[MrScottly]

Right so larger engine, more weight, but same power and worse fuel economy. Either way, it doesn't seem like good news to me . Just thought it was worth a heads up to anyone thinking about trading in a year in a half or so

I trade them every two years..I guess I'll take one for the team

 

[8ball_99]

I trade them every two years..I guess I'll take one for the team

See that's kind of the deal too. Guys who trade often don't usually mind the emissions. It will never be out of warranty and you likely won't log enough miles for it to be a big problem. It might cause you a trip or two to the dealer with no charge service tickets. Not knocking you for it. That's great.

BUT the big problem with these systems is to the majority that don't trade constantly and/or rack up higher miles. The current systems already cause a ton of problems. Just the thought of even stricter requirements and harder working system sounds really bad to anyone who actually wants to keep one for a couple hundred thousand miles. One of the biggest advantages to a diesel use to be longevity.

 

[MrScottly]

See that's kind of the deal too. Guys who trade often don't usually mind the emissions. It will never be out of warranty and you likely won't log enough miles for it to be a big problem. It might cause you a trip or two to the dealer with no charge service tickets. Not knocking you for it. That's great.

BUT the big problem with these systems is to the majority that don't trade constantly and/or rack up higher miles. The current systems already cause a ton of problems. Just the thought of even stricter requirements and harder working system sounds really bad to anyone who actually wants to keep one for a couple hundred thousand miles. One of the biggest advantages to a diesel use to be longevity.

I realize I am in a unique situation. I'm very fortunate.

But I also realize that 300K might not happen on most modern diesel p/u trucks.

Except for my '20 Duramax I used to have.... I have access to CarFax and I can see when that thing gets serviced and the mileage it has on it...429K so far. Then the registration expired and it all got quiet. Makes me wonder if it got wrecked...But I am impressed with the mileage and the few repairs done on it.

 

[DNZR2]

I realize I am in a unique situation. I'm very fortunate.

But I also realize that 300K might not happen on most modern diesel p/u trucks.

Except for my '20 Duramax I used to have.... I have access to CarFax and I can see when that thing gets serviced and the mileage it has on it...429K so far. Then the registration expired and it all got quiet. Makes me wonder if it got wrecked...But I am impressed with the mileage and the few repairs done on it.

It’s over in the Middle East with a 50 cal mounted to it.

 

[ZR2BIZON]

It’s over in the Middle East with a 50 cal mounted to it.

Or in avocado land. Same situation